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18 January 2004 @ 09:14 pm
This was very hard to write, believe it or not.  
Dear Everyone This Concerns, and Some That It Doesn't,

All good things come to an end. It's a fact of life we're all aware of. It can be long and drawn out. It can be short and to the point. Sometimes it's welcome and anticipated; sometimes it is completely unexpected and protested heavily. Whether the end is too late or far too early, it comes.

It is time for the end to come to Warriors of Euphoria. As the RPG's creator, I have seen it grow from my personal brainchild to the vision of many unique and talented artisans. It was an honor and a privilege to create with all of you; I regret missing the opportunity to play with those who joined later in the game.

Perhaps it is selfish of me to close the game – but that's all it is. WoE's just a role-playing game. But for too long, the game has lost any enjoyment for me. It hasn't been recreation or pleasure for some time now, but a chore, a burden that bothers the back of my mind even when I am not actively participating. As long as WoE bears my name, or is associated with me, I can't move beyond it. It remains my responsibility, and I am far too much of a control freak to hand that to someone else. Even if the management of the RPG is given away, the responsibility and accountability isn't. As long as WoE remains open, it will remain a part of my work here on the 'Net, and I will maintain some semblance of responsibility.

I don't want to be responsible anymore. But I can't leave my brainchild to flounder on its own, or with adopted parents.

So it is to be closed.

The control of the RPG was taken from me – rather forcefully, all things considered – months ago, but I hope that those running it now will respect my wishes and make the necessary preparations to close the RPG, or return control to me so that I can close it myself.

Thank you. Thank you for the memories, the creative energy and for being my friends.

Love,
Leelee
Cassandra / Valkyrie
 
 
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spiderflower on January 18th, 2004 10:20 pm (UTC)
It was an honor and a privilege to create with all of you

For a moment I thought this read 'horror' and thought 'gee, how candid'.

Lee, I'm really sorry, but this is the most selfish piece of puke I've read in quite a while. You're 'closing' WoE because you can't bear the guilt of the fact that you, as creator, are doing jack shit? You don't have any responsibility, any accountability. Nobody looks to you when the tough things come up. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do.

But I can't leave my brainchild to flounder on its own, or with adopted parents.

'Flounder'? Apologies, but Bitch, Please. WoE's got better-quality and more stories right now than it ever did in the long, gruelling
period where it was under your command. It was probably not all your fault, but we are certainly not floundering at the moment.

If you had said this about two years ago, I would have let the RPG die with relief, and so would many others. But to close it now on the flimsiest of pretexts - because you feel some strange, existential angst that you're not tapping the buttons - is creepy and smacks of extraordinarily selfish control-freak. If you really wanted to wash your hands of it, you would have said, "Okay, I'm sorry, but I'm not coming back. Have fun, kids!"

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let it die, and - although I can't speak for her - neither will Emiko, I hope. It's hosted on TSFields, the group is out of your moderation capacity, the only thing you can shut down is the old page and the old board. I don't like to and I don't want to, but to avoid any legal matters, it'll be pretty damn easy to change a few base concepts. Let's face it, what's left of WoE is about 3% yours at the moment, and we can get rid of that 3%.

I'm disgusted and disappointed that you chose the ungracious, stupid option. If this RPG is a chore, then it's one you've been looking at through a pretty damn powerful telescope on a faraway island.
Irk: thppppppt!irksnapple on January 18th, 2004 10:50 pm (UTC)
The best part is the "die" icon. Until I saw it, I weren't sure if you were serious in this post. But now, with proper iconic embellishment, the impact of your words is truly felt.

Shit, Tami, I withheld judgement even when I made the otf_wank post, but really: could you be more of a bitch, or is this the extent of your prowess?
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~ * flurr sprite * ~nkicroft on January 18th, 2004 10:20 pm (UTC)
oh.....dear.....i never did show everybody the little towel thing that i sewed (sp?) tessa's face onto....i kept telling myself that i could always do it later, when i was completely bored and felt like scanning cloth.....my life is going to be very strange without woe...tis been with me for so many years....i know it's just a game, but it *has* been one constant in my life, even if the writing did come and go.....oh dearie dear.....this is a sad day indeed. :(
Angie: Vinnie - meshortcakegreen on January 18th, 2004 11:09 pm (UTC)
I can understand attachment to a game. I can understand attachment to ideas that you have created and worked on. What I cannot understand, even if I try quite hard indeed, is the ability to disband a game that you have not been active in for well over a year and to do so in such a public and callous way. Nor can I understand how you can feel justified in doing so without breathing so much as a word to those of us involved. Privately, respectfully, and discreetely. All of our emails are available. We have the board. May I ask why you felt the need to do this in such a public and, dare I say, grandstanding way?

Forget the fact that I am quite happy in the game and quite happy with the people I've met there and that I think it is doing rather well. ("Flounder", indeed.) I can't speak for anyone else but I'm somewhat offended that we, your fellow players and people that you claim to think so much of, were not aware of this decision of yours until you saw fit to announce it to all and sundry on LJ. I'm not feeling very valued at all right now, thanks. Especially since this post was actually pointed out to me by a friend -before- I could find it on my own.

Given I've only been RPing online for about three years now but I have always been under the impression that there was a mutual responsibility and duty between players and owners/GMs/whatever you wish to call them. We've upheld our part of the bargain by keeping it alive and gathering some amazingly talented players. I'm proud to write with them and look forward to writing with others.

Was it really too much to ask for some kind of communication that you felt this way? You know the board address. A lot of us have invested quite a bit of time into the game. Don't we deserve more than a "it's been swell but I'm taking it back" note? Just wondering.

Dear Everyone This Concerns, and Some That It Doesn't,

Because, yes, this is a matter for anyone to stick their oar in on. *sighs*
Suzik00kaburra on January 19th, 2004 09:40 am (UTC)
Did I not utilize the board? After writing this in a diary, I went straight the the board and let you all know where this post is. Granted, I only joined that board yesterday so that I could post the message, but I did use it.

I wish I had been more active in the RPG. Whenever I tried, however, I was greeted the same way, "Hello Lee! We're delighted to know you aren't dead! Why don't you read over these changes we've made and talk to us later." I read. Then everyone vanishes. My emails go unanswered, and no one's ever on AIM; if they are, they aren't talking to me.

I realize that a lot has happened in the RPG since I was put on hiatus. And it's true, I don't hear all the good things. What I hear are complaints. That's all that people seek me out for. In the time that I was dormant, I tried to reactivate myself three or four times. None of the heads of the RPG ever sought me out to ask, "Leelee, are you still playing?" blah blah blah. The only people who ever said, "Leelee, come back and play again!" were people who had issues with this, that or the other thing.

I like things public. If the RPG closes, as I wish, then the public will need to know. If, as you wish, the RPG remains open, the public would like to know that as well. If it changes form into something untraceable to Warriors of Euphoria, then the public will need to know about the opening of this "new" RPG and the closing of the old. Public is good.
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(Anonymous) on January 19th, 2004 02:16 pm (UTC)
Right then...
Right. Not having an LJ myself, the best I can manage is random anonymous posting but... jeez... I understand completely how this RPG was created by you originally, how it was run by you until recently, but really, every time a president leaves office it's not like he disbands the country. We're sorry to see you go and all, but is it really right to attempt to force everyone else to leave as well when some of us want to continue the RPG?

Not to sound too caustic here, but I hope you're not just jealous that the new management is doing a better job. I like WoE. I like the concept. I like roleplaying in it, and damned if I'm not going to speak up and voice my opinion when its archaic owner comes back and suddenly decides she wants to screw us all over because she doesn't like it any more.

Excuse us for not being quite so selfish as yourself, but we still do like it. If you don't, well, the least you could do is say something to the players before you run around making decisions like this...
(Anonymous) on January 19th, 2004 02:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Right then...
That last comment was Proto, by the way, if anyone cares.
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Alysa: frustratedfoofasaurus on January 19th, 2004 05:15 pm (UTC)
Could you have any less respect for your replacement GMs and the members of WoE?

Angie already covered how insulting it was that a good number of WoE members had to be directed here by second parties. I happen to think it was even more insulting of you to post to the mailing list and instead of taking five minutes to explain the situation to us and give any kind of indication that you gave a rat’s ass about how we’d react, you gave us a terse ‘go look here’ with a link to your journal. It’s nice to know that the members of the game you’re about to close didn’t warrant any more time or consideration.

You’re trying to come off as the victim here, but I think we all know who’s really been screwed over by this, and it’s not you.

You only just now joined the mailing list. Just. Now. Yeah, you sure did try hard to get involved, didn’t you?

Unfortunately, it’s within your rights as the creator of the game to say you want it closed. I think it’s bull, personally, but them’s the breaks. I just wish that since you were already screwing us all with a chainsaw, you could’ve at least used some lube.

Thanks,
Alysa
Nayan/Arune
blackmage runs with daggers.ruien on January 22nd, 2004 08:27 pm (UTC)
i really don't think you have any right to say this dear. firstly, you don't know anything about the situation, number 2, replacement GMs have no right to the original game. it's Lee, the creator's idea. it's her perogative to say "i don't like this any more, i don't want you guys to do this in the name of my project". if other people don't want the idea to die they can ask her politely if they can take the idea and start their own game or if they can take over. none of which is the case here. it's a case of courtesy and respect for intellectual rights.


You’re trying to come off as the victim here, but I think we all know who’s really been screwed over by this, and it’s not you.

actually, no, not everyone does. and certainly you don't either. maybe lee's not the only victim but you are in no position to say because you do not know as tami puts it so politely "jack shit" about what has gone on in this rpg since it began and the events that transpired to make it the way it is today. in fact, you are completely out of line here. it's between lee and emiko, nobody else.

hey, if all you care about is the game, start a new one. right now you're just showing up as a jackass pummelling lee because someone's suggested to you to do so.
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the Soozfurikku on January 21st, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)
Here's another random bystander post. Yippee!

On my end, you're all being rather wankerish, no insult intended. Lee, you created the game and worked pretty hard with running it for a while. That was cool. It was your brainchild, and I think you have a right to dictate how you intend(ed) it to go. However, such a sweeping decision that would affect all the current players- particularly in a game that's been going so well- is unfair, at best. As Angie said, it would've been a better idea to actually try working things out with the current regime. I'm sure that even if they had a habit of ignoring email, they would've sat up and taken notice of a complaint like that. Some other arrangement might've been made which didn't involve the game closing entirely or just going completely out of your control.

Having said that... Dude, Tami, what bug crawled in your shorts?! Yeah, I can see where this sort of thing would piss you off, but that level of vitriol is entirely uncalled-for. No, you don't have to accept things like this submissively, but even if Lee's being a wanker, it IS possible to, I dunno, try talking things out FIRST. Yes, technically she no longer has any power within the game. Yes, she may not have spent all the time and effort you have recently. Still, it was her creation, and I think that deserves a little more respect than, "Screw you, we're gonna keep going against your wishes, and there's nothin' you can do about it, bitch!"

Of course, I'm just a list-lurker and prospective player, not a member, so I dunno if my voice counts for anything with y'all. Still, it'd be nice to see a bit more respect about this than I'm seeing, from all ends. Cool as the game is/was, I don't think I'd want to play in it if this is how people react in stressful situations.
Suzik00kaburra on January 23rd, 2004 08:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
This is why I decided to make this in my livejournal. I like the public. They can say exactly what they think of what you're doing, and you don't have to worry about who they're siding with or what benefit they're going for.
Thank you for speaking up.
(Anonymous) on January 22nd, 2004 12:29 am (UTC)
Ryouga Hibiki
"Excuse me, is this Furinkan High School?"
(Anonymous) on January 22nd, 2004 08:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Ryouga Hibiki
*blinkblink* Funny, this posting I get.

-the Still-In-The-Dark one.
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sami-pisamikitty on January 23rd, 2004 03:20 pm (UTC)
flogging a dead horse, so to speak~
^^;;; *wavies at leelee*
i actually watched an episode of The Monkees in your honour the other day. made me remember the very very old days of WoE and i got all weepy and nostalgic. ^O^;;;

*hughugs*
(i'm devika/kali (samael) if you don't remember. ^^;;)
Suzik00kaburra on January 23rd, 2004 07:56 pm (UTC)
49 Comments? Shit! When did that happen?
I have a few requests, which I'm sure will be mocked and ridiculed, and that's fine. In the end, I don't particularly care what you think of them, I only care that they're carried out, and if they're not to be I only care why it can't be done.

I'm glad a modified game was the eventual decision. It can be the perfect compromise if done correctly, and I'm sure that under Emiko's guidence it will be carried out smoothly.
Please change the names. Not the angels name or any of that - that's old as dirt and I certainly can't claim. But humor me and change the name 'Warriors of Euphoria.' Preferably, change the planet's name, although I can't force you to. This is the reason.
Warriors of Euphoria is here: http://www.makaiju.net/site/warriors/ That is the cast of WoE. That is the plot of WoE. That is the everything of WoE. This WoE even had its own yahoo group under warriorsofeuphoria.
When WoE was restarted, the name should have been changed then. But it wasn't, so I request that it be changed now to reflect the fact that it is a new RPG, under new management, with new people and new characters.

I realize this seems silly to those of you, but if you're going to remove my stupid rules and my stupid cheesiness - especially Valkyrie and Tradkiel, those stupid, horrible creations of mine -, then please remove my silly, stupid name as well. It's only fair, really. As long as it bears the name Warriors of Euphoria, it will still be associated with me, just because I created it. 'Star' and 'Wars' are both very common words, but the phrase 'Star Wars' has become forever associated with George Lucas. It's the same idea here, albeit on a much smaller scale. As long as 'Warriors of Euphoria' exists, I'll still be connected with it, so please change the name so that my connection is completely severed. After all, you're eliminating any other element of me in the RPG, so there's no reason I should have to even be in the same thought as this RPG of yours!

~Leelee

I realize that a lot of you don't give a damn what I think, because you have never interacted with me. Fine. That's fair. But bear in mind that this RPG began in February of 1999, so it's been around a while, and once upon a time I put a LOT of work into it. Just because I haven't done so in your memory doesn't mean I've always been some distant bitch yelling orders from the moon.

That's all. Carry on.